Marc - On today's show I'm going to give you some tipsfor buying one of these,and HVLP turbine sprayer.
And the Wood Whisperer now features 50% less thyroid.
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All right, let's get to our email.
Brian Prusa wrote in to ask,"I'm buying a new spray system.
"Should I save up to buy a FUJI Q5,"or do you think an Earlex or Rockler turbine will suffice?"it's quite a large price difference!"Well, I happen to know a little something about turbines,and I've got a few right here.
But first, it's disclosure time.
Well, as you can see, I'm pretty much a Fuji man.
I've tried a lot of different systems over the years.
Fuji is one of my favorites.
I've been lucky enough to establisha working relationship with them.
But I'm not here to sell you a Fuji turbine.
There are a lot of good brands on the market.
You should look into them all.
You'll find that there's quite a few similaritiesin the higher grade turbine systems.
What I show you here you might findapplicable to other brands as well.
Brian asked pretty much about the top of the line,and sort of what would be the bottom of the line, I suppose,and what the differences are.
So let's go through,because we kind of run the gamut here.
When it's all said and done, you'll have the terminologyand all the tools you need to look at these thingsand decide which unit is right for you.
Let's get to that terminology.
HVLP, most of you probably know this.
It stands for high volume low pressure.
The idea is, lots of liquid coming outbut not a lot of air.
That limits the amount of overspray and waste,so it makes it a much more efficient processwhen it's high volume low pressure.
So, what's a turbine?Well, you're looking at one.
Basically it's a simple box that contains a fan.
That fan blows air out into a hose,which connects to a gun,and that's what sprays the liquid.
The advantage of these things is thatthey're super portable, easy to move around,and it's a fully self-contained system.
You might have heard the term stageswith reference to turbine.
That's really a reflection of the power.
Now, I don't have everyone here,but I've got a single stage, a 3-stage,4-stage, and a 5-stage.
The more stages, the more power.
Stages really are nothing more thanthe number of fans inside.
So a single stage will have one fan.
5-stage has five fans,and that just pushes more air out,and it makes it a more powerful unit.
Now a final term is viscosity.
This little guy here that comes with the turbine systemis called a viscosity cup.
The idea with viscosity is it'sthe thickness of the material.
So is it like pancake batter,or is it like orange juice?You basically pick up a certain amount of your finish.
Obviously this is just water.
The idea is you have certain time ratingsfor how long it takes it to lose all of that liquid,and the thicker it is, the longer it takes.
Most manufacturers will give you guidelines to say,dilute your finish until it can run throughthe viscosity cup in this particular amount of time.
That's how you gauge whether or notthe unit will be able to atomizethe finish you have on hand.
Some finishes are just too darn thick,or the unit is not powerful enough to push it.
A thick latex paint, for instance,is going to have a whole lot of troublein the lower powered units,but not as much trouble on the higher powered.
You might be able to dilute itto work on the lower power.
You may not have to dilute as much, if at all,if you've got a higher powered unit.
Let's talk pricing.
This is pretty much an entry-level unit,sold by Rockler.
You can find this also, very similar one,looks exactly the same, at Harbor Freight.
It's going to be about $115 to $149.
A lot of times you can get it on sale for $99.
Single-stage unit, lots of plastic here,so this is not going to be the mostdurable thing in the world.
But it can get the job done,especially if you're just doing clear finishes and stains.
Now a 2-stage unit is probably going to runaround $300 to $400,and a 3-stage unit like this Fuji Q3is going to be about $600 to $900.
A 4-stage unit is going to be at least $1,000.
And a 5-stage unit also starting at around $1,000,but most going up and approaching $2,000Well, how do you know which one to buy?Well, it depends on two primary things.
Number one, ask yourself, what are you spraying?If you do mostly clear finishes and stains,all you really need is a single-stage unit.
But these tend to not be built as well.
You might not get as good resultsjust because of the build quality.
So people like to go a little bit higher.
But I really don't think you need togo much higher than a 3-stage to get good resultswith simple, standard woodworking finishes like this.
If you're going to spray latex occasionally,I would say get at least the 3 stage.
If you're going to spray latex a lot,you want to look at your 4- and your 5-stage units,depending on how much you're going to wind up doing.
But you really need that extra powerto push a thick-bodied finishand atomize it properly out of the gun.
Now the second question to ask yourselfis how often will you be spraying?If you're a weekend warrior and maybe you're sprayingevery couple of weeks to every couple of months,a system like this, the Rockler or the Harbor Freight,will probably be just fine.
But, if you're on the road,you're throwing this thing into the back of a truck,maybe you have employees and you're insome commercial setting, you really needa more powerful and a more durable system.
Now what we're talking about hereis overall build quality,which does get better as you go tothose higher-stage units.
Let's look at some of the details in the equipment.
Now let's start off by taking a lookat the Rockler gun.
All right, it's capable.
But clearly it's all plastic.
You've got some metal parts here,but the majority is a rigid plastic.
You've got a flow control knob on the back.
That's pretty standard.
You've got the ability to adjust the fan orientation,so vertical to horizontal, or something in between.
But that's really about it for the adjustments.
Your needle and cap set is in here.
That's of course interchangeable with other sets.
And you have a plastic canister.
Now I don't really like that.
Plastic tends to not be the most durable material.
I really prefer metal.
I also don't really like the threads.
If you get a lot of gooped up finish on therethat can sometimes create problemsin putting the unit back together like this.
The other thing is you have your air hosecoming in at the top above your hand.
Sometimes people like that.
Sometimes they don't.
It could be uncomfortable, and you also might have troubleaccessing the flow control knob herewhen there's a hose right above it.
Comfort-wise, not too bad,considering what it's made out of.
You do have to think about that,because you'll be holding this thingfor long periods of time.
Now as a bit of a contrast,let's take a look at Fuji's gun.
This is a fairly high end unit here.
Lots of metal, looks really well made.
Of course we've got a simple flow control knob,very similar to the other gun,and also the ability to changethe orientation of the fan.
But we have an additional setting here.
This little knob allows us to change the pattern.
Whether you go from a wide patternthat sprays very wide, or something very narrowto get into tight places,you've got that control right here.
Stainless steel, metal cup,metal parts for this little siphon dealy-whacker.
Of course, Fuji has some other things you could buy,like filters and things you can put on there.
Clearly a much more durable unit.
Another thing is, your hose is connecting at the bottom.
I mentioned before having the hose go over your handblocks that flow control knob.
We don't have that problem here.
The hose is going to connectright at the bottom of your hand.
Now when it comes to the hoses,the differences are pretty substantialbetween the inexpensive units and the pricier units.
You can see with the Fuji hose we've gota nice, rubber, durable hose,really nice quality connections,and some cool add-ons that you can put on the hosethat make it a little bit more durable and usable.
You can run this over with your truck,it's going to be fine.
We also have an extra regulatorfor even more control over the air flow.
Just a simple plastic hose on the Rockler unit.
Nothing wrong with that, but it might notnecessarily stand up to the abuse of a job site.
Now the final thing to consider is somethingthat affects your versatility,and that's the variety of needle and cap sets available.
Cheaper ones generally have one or two,and the more pricey units will havea whole range of sizes that allows youto spray all kinds of finishes,so you can have them on hand.
Just depending on the thickness,or the type of stuff you're spraying,you could swap these out and have the best spray possible.
So what's the conclusion?Well, if you're spraying clear finishes and stainsand you're not spraying all that often,go with a 1-stage unit.
They're pretty handy, they're very inexpensive,and it gets the job done.
But if you're going to spray quite oftenand you're still sticking with thoseclear finishes and stains,consider a 2-stage unit.
Now if you want to get a little bit intolatex paint for the occasional spray,at least 3-stage.
You can certainly go higher,but you can probably get away with 3-stagefor a lot of those latex paints.
But some of them are going to be very thick.
The more you dilute the latex paint,you're kind of screwing with the chemistry,and you're probably going to want to usean additive, a thinning additive,instead of just water.
So if you're going to have to deal withall that stuff a lot, and you really knowyou're going to be spraying latex a lot,you've got to go up to that 4- or 5-stage,because that's going to let you spraythose thicker finishes withouthaving to dilute them so far,and you get better quality out of it.
If budget just isn't an issue,I would say go about 4-stage.
You're going to cover your bases.
I think only pros who are really going tobeat the crap out of these thingsand use them constantly will need a 5-stage unit.
All right, so, it's a little anticlimacticto talk about spraying and not really do any spraying.
But I don't want to do a full run-off teston all of these units.
So let's grab some paint just for fun,because that's really the testthat hurts these things, right?Let's see how the Rockler unit does,and then I want to test that Fuji Q5because it's super powerfuland probably could shoot a hole through the wall.
We'll just put a couple of scoops in the cup,and believe it or not, this is the colorwe let my son paint his room.
It is awful.
Now as I mentioned before,you really want to use somethingcalled Floetrol for this,but for this fun little experimentwater will do fine.
Generally 5-10% is a good dilution.
You don't want to go too much higher than that.
But, you know, for thicker bodied stuffyou may need to go a little bit higher.
We'll see how we do.
Let's get this guy set up.
My buddy Ron actually was doingan install at one pointand asked me for some help.
This is the unit he had,and he had to spray a bunch of cabinets with this,I think we were just doing a white primerand then white paint.
He swears by it.
For the price and what you can do with it,he loves it.
We got all these cabinets sprayed down,and it was effective.
It got the job done.
Now let's plug it in, get our hose connected.
Now we can certainly mess with the dilutiona little bit more.
We can mess with the settings, the needle and cap set.
But you can see it's very a orange-peely finish,kind of blotchy.
What that means is it's spitting outlarge chunks of paint, as opposed toatomizing it evenly into a nice spray pattern.
So that's not ideal, but not too unexpectedfor what this unit is.
Now for the Fuji.
I'm not going to dilute this at all.
This thing is a 5-stage.
It thinks it's all that.
Let's see what it can do.
Now the Fuji has a lot more settings to dial in,and obviously I'm kind of rushing through this.
You could spend quite a bit of timegetting the perfect settings for that.
But even with no dilution,the orange peel factor is better.
There's still a little bit here,but this is definitely getting closer.
So with a minor amount of dilution,this particular paint,and maybe a little bit more fine tuning,we could probably get a killer finish.
But the gun certainly had no problem pushing this through.
Well, not too bad.
That's what five stages does for you.
Now, look, I realize that wasa completely unfair comparison.
We're talking a high end unitand an entry level unit.
Of course one is going to do better than the other.
But that's the easiest way to show yousomething like this,because if we look at each individual oneit's shades of gray, or shades of orange,as you go up in quality, right?So this is a good way to show youhow a higher powered unit is much more forgiving.
For me, I'm not really that patientto get all the settings just perfectand my dilution just perfect.
I like a more powerful unit because it'smuch more forgiving for someonewho's a little bit lazyin how they change and tweak their settings.
Whatever one you choose, just get into spraying.
I really think it's a great way to go.
Nothing wrong with a hand-applied finish.
But once you get into the spraying game,it's kind of hard to turn your back on it.
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(light upbeat music)Oh, you're still here?Well, thanks for watching to the bitter end,and here's your little prize.
You have a chance to win thisHLP turbine from Rockler.
I really don't need it,and I only bought it to do this episode.
So I'm going to clean out this garish orange paintand send it to someone who leavesa comment in the section below that says,I don't know,"It's not a Fuji, but it'll do.
"If you leave that commend, I will message you,let's say a week after this video releaseswe'll pick one winner, and you'll get this unit.
Pretty cool stuff.
Thanks for watching, catch you next time.